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I never could figure out why you don't ban me, but here goes.

I'm on the side of the devils, but I think the main problem is what I call 'uncompensated intersectionality'. Certainly there are areas where men have advantages over women, particularly in more conservative industries, but the whole society is so unequal that if you give women a leg up in hiring lots of men from third-tier colleges are going to have problems finding jobs at all. Also most of the DEI-stuff works at the entry level, so rich guys are happy to 'diversify' their underlings (if their son has a problem he'll still get into Harvard etc. because daddy donated) and throw less-privileged white men to the wolves, where Trump starts to sound attractive.

As for the messaging issue Mitch mentions...I've grown up with a lot of feminism around me, believe it or not--blue city, lefty school and college, left-leaning industry--and the effect has been to make me *less* sympathetic to women's sufferings. You constantly hear how bad you are, well, you can internalize it as I did and hate yourself (and guilt over your sexuality causes problems in relationships), but if you ever break free you are going to be very angry at the people who made you that way.

So I'm saying misandry and attacks on male ego can backfire. That's the problem. What's the solution? Beats me.

For my part I don't feel comfortable on either the left or right; I'm not macho enough for the right and not quite submissive enough for the left. Well, maybe my people don't exist. Nobody said the world had to be good.

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First,

I am deeply honored that you quoted my ramblings. In its entirety no less!

Second,

This was excellent. As usual, you bring the fire, and I love it.

You ask a hard question,

"How do women give grace to the very people trying to hurt them?"

That's the key to all of this, really. How do you forgive the abuser and give them a second chance? The man in me wants to prescribe a solution. A pithy answer. Which is part of the problem.

I can only speak from my experience with my own demons. It takes time, and I stumble along the way. Some days, I hold a grudge that hold back a tsunami. Other days, it rolls off my back.

But I'm a man. As you so beautifully pointed out, I have a choice. I have not experienced a lifetime of trying to be forced into a box that didn’t fit.

I think what you're doing, this post, is a form of grace.

Curiosity, is a form of grace.

I think your work is the beginning of the bridge. The willingness to ask instead of condemn is a path to healing.

No man should ever ask a woman to gloss over what we've done. It is on us to grow and change. To repair the damage. But women like you who ask questions, give men like me the fire to do the work.

To build the bridge of repair back to you.

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